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THE FUNNY STAYS. -The Management

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Movie Nav Box

The navigation box we have for Movie pages really needs an overhaul. Especially now that we have four Online games (not counting the Sector 7 Hungry Dragon thing) and the nav box points to Battle for the Allspark as THE online game. What should we do with it? --Rotty 00:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Featured Article for July

What should we start polishing up to be next month's Featured Article? It needs to be something relevant for people finding this site after seeing the movie? How about Bumblebee (G1), as it covers the history behind the film's most prominent robot? --Rotty 21:53, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Sure, works for me. We've got our work cut out for us, though! --ItsWalky 21:56, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Is no one up to filling out Bumblebee's Dreamwave, Legends anthology, Dreamwave Transformers/GI Joe, Devil's Due, or Hearts of Steel sections? I'm poking around to see who would be relevant as a featured article for while the movie's out if we're not up to completing Bumblebee... -Rotty 05:55, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

We could always just go with G1 Prime or Megatron. Both of those more than qualify, I think. - Dark T Zeratul 07:28, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Megatron's pretty close. I think we just need some filling out of his cartoon exploits. --ItsWalky 02:36, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
He needs TF/G.I. Joe, G.I. Joe vs. TF, and Hearts of Steel filled out too. -Rotty 02:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Hearts of Steel writeup: "There was art of him in the supplemental materials!" --ItsWalky 03:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
...Two designs for a guy who didn't even show... Dang it.--MCRG 08:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Movie Launch

Hey Guys, Was wondering if you were going to put anything on the home page about the movie launching tonight? I was going to put this wiki in the spotlight starting Friday to promote it, but I think its needs a more recognizable logo so people will click on it. angies (talk) 19:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I've put something on the front page now. I had wanted to get this done last week, but I never had the time, and then most of the staff were at the Transformers convention for four or five days. It needs work, but it's there, at least. It would be great if we could have a spotlight! --Steve-o 16:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The Funny

Maybe if the stuff you said was funny, no one would have a problem with it, but most of the jokes on here are pretty lame, it's not about transformers fans being serious, it's about your jokes being bad. When other people try to put there humor in it, you erase it. Sooooo make the jokes funny and you wont have to worry about it. Besides the Real Wikipedia has more information on transformers than the one dedicated to transformers have, what gives. Maybe before you work on your lame jokes you can fill out the information on the article. Sorry just what I think about it, don't take to much offence. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.140.110.210 (talkcontribs).

Humor is subjective. Pesonally, I consider most of the jokes on this site to be neutral. They are clearly trying to be silly, but neither funny nor painful. They merely lighten the tone. Users who show up here and do nothing but change jokes into different jokes are clearly not accomplishing anything. The new jokes are never any better -- they are merely different, and often worse. That is a waste of everybody's time. I haven't spent a lot of time browsing Transformers material on Wikipedia, but I highly doubt that their information is better, even if there might be a larger quantity of it. What little I've seen there has been disorganized, mixes fan assertions with canon, and is at times not even reliable. If they have more information than we do, it is only because people have been adding TF info there for at least twice as long as this specialized wiki has existed. --Steve-o 15:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Yep, this wiki is a far more reliable source of information for Transformers than the Wikipedia shall ever be. I've corrected some of their base assumptions and half-truths upon occassion. If we lack information for something, then feel free to contribute to our wiki or wait for one of us to get around to it. Really, what the Wikipedia offers is rather generalised information and (as steve-o points out) fan-assumed fanon and downright false information. Besides, we provide the Transformers info that the users on the wikipedia either don't know or won't bother with, such as info on the toys, their designers, toy construction materials, obscure series and/or characters and so on.
And yes, we think captioning a picture of say, Megatron with 'Art of Megatron' or some such is really patronising. --FFN 17:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


Logos for 'By series' column

I was uploading some logos for the franchise pages, and it got me thinking - the By series column on the main page is basically a bunch of text, and for either visual-minded people or those who aren't as familiar with TF, it can be confusing. How about we get brand/franchise logos for all the series so far and put them into the column? The logos would be easier to see and recognisable.

I made this - the logos there are at 250px, but I later reduced that to 150px and they still seem fine (unless you've a super-high resolution on a less than super-large monitor). Its quite rough there, series logos are missing (and I've not actually changed the page itself), but what do you guys think? --FFN 18:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I like the idea. I think the execution needs xome more work of course but having the logos there definately makes the page nicer looking.--ZacWilliam 19:21, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
The logos need to be much, much smaller. That looks not so visually appealing. --ItsWalky 21:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
If the logos were reduced a little more, I think it would be alright to remove the text and go with just logos. (And giving them TITLE/ALT attributes, of course.) --Steve-o 03:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
They need to not have backgrounds, and it's going to be a real hassle to get rid of the Classics one. I think the idea could be doable, although the mockup does not look good at all. It could potentially be very ugly and I think we need to be careful. --Suki Brits 03:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
So we're doing this for every series title? Awesome! And it's gonna have no text? Awesome! And what are we doing for Japanese series?
(I saw this done with all the Japanese titles on Cyberbon a few years back. Turns out that bereft of some visual cue to tell you what series you're talking about- every TF logo after Masterforce looks the same.) -Derik 03:46, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I suspect that may not be a problem, given that we do not actually have any Japanese titles on the main page. --Suki Brits 03:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah I'll need your help, anyway since I am shithouse at photoshop now and I can't get rid of the backgrounds myself. Also we're still missing logos for Beast Machines, RID and king of hard to track down, G2. We have so few images on the first page that I think, if done right, this could look very nice. --FFN 08:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Logos so far, and I guess they'll all need to be converted, except for the movie logo:
G1logo
G2Logo
BWlogo
RIDlogo
Armadalogo
Energonlogo
Universelogo
Cybertron-Logo
Classicslogo
Transformers2007logomodified
Transformersanimated franchise logo
You might have my help... if I thought it was a good idea. Remember you need to do Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory, Zone, Battlestars, Return of Convoy, JG2, BW2, BWN, Robotmasters, Binaltech, Kiss-Player, etc. And they somehow have to communicate what series they refer to despite lacking any English text.
Also-also, I assuem that clicking on these logos is supposed to take you to their respective franchise pages? Clicking on an image takes you to the info page for that image. It's a wikipedia fundamental. You need to find a way around that. Have fun!-Derik 08:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Don't all those Japanese series fall under the umbrella of G1 or BW anyway? And, as it has been so repeatedly stated, this predominantly an American TF wiki, so I don't think we need to list EVERY TF cartoon ever made, for even with just text links it would be very, very long. --FFN 08:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
If you're just linking to the continuity-families, you shouldn't have 3 images for the UT then. Clearly that threw me off. Of course, if this is by Continuity family, we don't need Classics either- it's part of G1.
Franchise or continuity family, pick a standard. (and if i'm coming off as Difficult, it's because I think this is a bad idea- but like a lot of bad ideas I'm over-ruled on, if it's goign to be done I'd like to see it done well, or at least consistently.) -Derik 09:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
There's no logo for UT, unless we make one up, which would be fanart. And those three series are far more well known and arguably more important to American Transformers than the entire Japanese TF continuity. But, if you can come up with the brand/franchise logos for Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory, Zone, Battlestars, BW The Second, BW Neo and on, then we'll do it your way. Not sure how big the 'By series' list will end up being, however. We may have to end up redesigning the main page. --FFN 09:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
No love for the BM "clawed-winged gear" logo? --Thylacine 2000 14:07, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I couldn't find an appropriate image to use, and I didn't have time to edit one out of something. --FFN 16:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Looking at that tall list of images leaves me highly skeptical. This list is going to be huge. It's going to completely dominate the main page and throw everything off entirely. Don't get me wrong, I'm not particularly fond of the way the main page is laid out right now, it was very much something thrown together in twenty minutes; but without an actual redesign (or even with one, it takes up a whole screen on my computer), I don't see that huge-ass list working out. --Suki Brits 14:23, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes, now that I see the images on top of each other, I also think this isn't a great idea anymore. --Steve-o 15:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
And that's without Machine Wars, Beast Machines, Dinobots and Timelines. And then throw in Animorphs, SWTF and Titanium (not to mention the new Universe and other future lines). That column would be taller than almost all monitors can display. --FortMax 16:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I get it. Which is why I only wanted to do it for the series we have at the moment. I wonder, why are you guys suggesting, all of a sudden, series that weren't even there before? If they weren't important enough for inclusion in the column in the first place, why bother to list every TF series ever made now, if only to use them as a means to derail my (evidently) poorly thought out idea? --FFN 16:55, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, less appealing than I thought it might be. I DO definately believe the Main page could use some redesign and more pictures/visual interest. This just may not be the best way to add that.--ZacWilliam 15:22, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I made them smaller, but I see FFN has failed! :O Is there any way to allow the images to link to the articles in question? It would free up clutter if we had the American logos and do away with the text saying what it is. As for placement, I think IF the By series column were to have logos, it would work better if we swapped its location with the 'Top level categories' column. --FFN 16:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
It could work... if we reformatted the main page so instead of the vertical list there was a box, with the logos filling up rows and columns. G1 at the top-left and then so on. Just a thought. If it eats up the whole screen, nevermind. --209.101.152.114 17:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll take a look at the image placement markup later. I don't THINK you can make clicking on them take you someplace else... but maybe it'll surprise me. -Derik 20:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

featured wiki

go vote for us, bitches. (if not for us, for the spanking art wiki, 'cause seriously. spanking art.) -hx 19:10, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

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