Talk: Optimus Prime (Primax)

Splitting

I am proposing that we split Optimus Prime's toy section off into a separate article - "See list of Optimus Prime (G1) toys" or something equivalent, as Wikipedia does. The article as a whole is really long and is only going to get longer, and it seems like a logical place for a split. Thoughts? --Monzo 11:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

As long as I get to create it, since I largely wrote the toy section myself. You're not stealing my pointless Internet Glory, you jerkfaces. You have the faces of several jerks! --FFN 12:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I vote Optimus Prime (G1) toys, rather than List of X. --ItsWalky 16:28, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

A disambig prior to the end of the article? That's crazy-talk!

(Of course, the alternative is Optimus Prime toys (G1), which is just plain wrong.) -69.88.91.218 16:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Shall I create the new article now? I think its moot if Walky (an admin) votes in favour of it. --FFN 16:32, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Old crap

I vote that we keep this article blank untill the last possible moment

This isn't a democracy, X-BoB. It's the Internet. You fail at wiki.

I think this article should be done as soon as possible. Because of, y'know its massive importance and stuff. BeastWarrior 08:12, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't we refeare to Optimus Prime as Convoy in the articles on the JPN shows?

Sentenial Prime shouldn't be in the first paragraphs, as he's not in all contuities JMO-X-BoB58

It warrants discussion - after all, he is the most powerful of the Go-Bots...

Dreamwave Continuity

The article says: "Optimus Prime started life as Optronix (Orion to his friends)"

Does anyone have an issue reference for this (the Orion part)? I admit that my DW knowledge isn't too great, but I don't recall this.--G.B. Blackrock 15:16, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

It's from the Keepers Trilogy. -Derik 17:03, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

That explains it, then. I don't really consider the Keepers Trilogy as canon, never having bothered to read it. However, since it is official, it's appropriate here.--G.B. Blackrock 17:33, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Cannon's a touch call witht he Keepers Trilogy. The Optronix thing, for isntance, was originalyl drafter for Optimus Prime's MtMtE profile (IIRC) but the MTMTE thing was drasticly re-tooled midway through, and so it didn't make it intot he entry-- but apparently Scott Ciencen had access to a draft of it which he used for Prime's backstory.

As for the Keepers Trilogy's overall continuity... it doesn't mesh any WORSE than the first Dreamwave mini-series. (Faint praise though that be.) Plus it made some definite motions to align itself mroe closely to the comcis co ntinuity at the endof the 3rd book. ...and if I remember my timeline right, Superion's head showed up in Anihilation before it would have been written into TF#0. -Derik 00:34, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Stuff

"Auntie" was, so far as I know, not an acronym. As well, it was definitely the name for the Ark's computer in the US, so I removed the italics as I didn't think those events/reasonings were UK-specific.

As well, the Intraformers competition is not from the UK - it's from Sureshot's Transformers: Universe profile. But as I didn't look it up yet, I wasn't sure if I should un-italize the mention of "before he was named Optimus Prime" that's mentioned with it. --Monzo 03:14, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Marvel continuity, from the intraformers sharpshooting competition arose, never had a 'pre optimus Prime.' He was always just Optimus Prime. (And was called such even when a junior officer, as seen in the Underbase saga.)

Optimus Prime was a gifted athlete beginning to study for a medical profession when the war broke out. Presumably the shooting competition was part of Prime's athlete days- shooting is an Olympic sport after all. (Well,part of one.)

If you want to split the difference on the entry, I suggest changing 'before he was named Optimsu Prime' to either before the war began or before the war began in earnest. The latter is only loosely justified by the text of comics continuities (the city-ststes had standaign armies and apparently fought- the great games were suppsoed to be a formalized sublimation of this) but it does have the marit of fitting well with War Dawn (and thus fits the new post* continuities which've come along that smosh both continuities together) without actually being wrong in the context of its original occourence. -Derik 03:26, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

And it's not like civilians don't do shooting sports as a hobby or anything. -hx 04:12, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Beast Wars Primal

Do we want to include the BW Bat Primal and the first MUNKY Primal as toys of Prime? In all one piece of media Bat Primal appeared in, he was definintly Prime with a new name, and the same can be said for Ultra MUNKY's specs. I can't remember if it's been brought up before, but if it has, I can't find it.

It's been a topic of discussion, but I think most of it has kept to IRC so far. The red/blue "Convobat" from Japan may even have text on the back that says it's the original Prime, and the purple alligator Megatron that came with it has text that mentions a Walther P38, but we haven't pursued further translation. --ItsWalky 00:56, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, we did, and it specifically says on both of them that they used to have those modes and are now animals. The problem, of course, is whether that makes them any more "really" Prime and Megatron than the US versions, or for that matter the Ultra toys in either country. Remember that Japan didn't even get a yes-or-no on whether they were the same guys until Metals. My personal preference would probably be to consider all of them Primal and BW Megs toys, despite how much I want the CD guys to be the G1 characters, or else we get into a bizarre continuum of "bat is Prime/ape is both/TM is Primal" which is confusing and not helpful, I think. -LV 01:44, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Kiss Players

This bio says the EDC was bringing Convoy's remains from the battle of Autobot City. I hadnt' seen this in any of the other stuff i read, so could someone confirm that for me? -Derik 04:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

That info was put in by Swift, who seriously knows his Kiss Players stuff. --ItsWalky 06:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Walky. To express my gratitude, I shall try to be less of a dumbass in the future. -Derik 07:56, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that reputation, but I suppose I brought it on myself. And yeah, lots of KP story material places it as a direct follow-up to the movie.--Swift 16:39, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Follows the movie- but not trying to be compatale with season 3, right? -Derik 16:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Wait, naughty-surfer Marissa Fairborne. That was a stupid question. I recind it! -Derik 16:56, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it helps that Japanese season 3 takes place 4 years after this, since it's all up in 2010 instead of 2006. --ItsWalky 17:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, right, I forgot, the 5-years-in-which-Daniel-does-not-appear-to-age. That DOES change things. -Derik 18:45, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

They do seem to be taking pains to make it all sort of fit in. Hot Rod's backstory says he gave up the Matrix and reverted from Rodimus, too. --Swift 19:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Pudding

MSTF running gag. "First darkness... then... light... then, pudding, I don't know why." Since then, PUDDING has come up in regards to Prime a bit frequently. --M Sipher 00:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Toy's Pics

It's a little detail, but the pic used for the 20TH Anniversary MasterPiece Convoy Optimus Prime is kind of wrong: I think it's a testshot model that has never been sold (battle damage with long stacks and wrong light's feet colors) Also, he is a lille misstransformed as the matrix "hidder" is on the wrong side.